Hypnosis Training Video #268: Dead Series - Part I - Why Progressive Relaxation Induction Should Be Dead and the Elman-Banyan Rapid Induction Should Be Used Instead
Hello Lonnie - Thanks for you comment and I appreciate your link. Here is a thought for you, if muscle relaxation is important, why not first quickly and effectively (without causing your client to fall asleep) induce a deep level of hypnosis (somnambulism) and then suggest deep muscle relaxation? They you would have the best of both worlds. You would save a significant amount of time, and be both efficient and effective.
Hi Lydia - That for your question/comment. We love to get comments!
Like I said to Lonnie, if profound relaxation was my goal, I would first do a fast, reliable and effective induction that takes someone to a deep level of hypnosis, and then suggest deep/profound relaxation. I get relaxation much faster when I already have somnambulism. So, no I never use the progressive relaxation induction, unless I am TRYING to put my client to sleep.
Congratulations for mastering the Elman-Banyan Induction and the AIAR induction. You ROCK.
Cal I’m surprised with you you murder such a old induction, lucky some of the people listening haven’t paid for a live class, because you would scared them away of class.
Cal as you started to say never use it, I’m thinking to myself, I never used a progressive relaxation induction EVER with any of my clients. But, I made it as a self-hypnosis for sleep for a client with Insomnia, and then you said you made the same tape for sleep ( I guess I heard it from you at some point)
I so agree with you, instant and rapid inductions, is the way to go.
Problem is with Hypnotist who never practiced it and are not sure it will work. Good idea to do whatever induction you use, then give a suggestion that next time you will hypnotize them you will use a instant or rapid induction like close your eyes and sleep, and they will go in faster and deeper, and you ask them to open their eye and you do the instant induction and you will see how great it works.
Keep up the good work
Issac Weiss, BCH
Hypnosis in montreal
Cal, I think it has its uses and with some clients in particular but instant and rapid inductions are better of course. It`s like computers - they are getting smaller and faster ! Enjoyed reading the posts and comments here and thank you.
Michael - Can you tell us more about your opinion and experience which led you to believe that the progressive relaxation induction "has its uses and with some clients in particular..."? If I am missing something I'd like to know it.
Cal, I think when a person needs a relaxing hypnotic trance and to get the beneifit from the relaxation process as well, especially if they find it difficult to relax generally. Helpful for them to relieve the tension in chest, legs or elsewhere etc., especially if it is chrionic tension. Can be an added positive experience for people.
Hello Michael - Well, like I said to Lonnie above, "Here is a thought for you, if muscle relaxation is important, why not first quickly and effectively (without causing your client to fall asleep) induce a deep level of hypnosis (somnambulism) and then suggest deep muscle relaxation? Then you would have the best of both worlds. You would save a significant amount of time, and be both efficient and effective." Suggestions for deep relaxation during or after the hypnosis session are always going to be more readily accepted in somnambulism.
I take your point Cal but some people like the gentleness of a Progressive Relaxation Induction, particularly older clients and those that may have had this method before. And... the client (customer) is always right. LOL. Very Best, Michael
Michael - Did you know that a rapid induction such as the Elman-Banyan induction can be just as gentile as a progressive relaxation induction? And, you achieve deep hypnosis without all of the problems associated with doing a progressive relaxation induction. Plus, you have that much more time for doing the work of hypnosis/hypnotherapy.
In addition, I've found that "older" clients are more likely to fall asleep during a session than younger types. Because of this it makes sense to me that doing rapid inductions would be the best way to go even in this case.
Finally, I've also found that most repeat clients who have experienced deep hypnosis in a previous session just want to get there as soon as possible, regardless of age.
I'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one. 🙂
Thanks again for the comment Michael and very best wishes!
You make fair points here Cal. I have just looked at the Elman-Banyan induction you mention with the three major changes to the original Dave Elman Induction by you. I`ll give it a try. Thank you. Very Best, Michael
Another BRILLIANT video! I will admit that the progressive is the way I was taught but over the last couple of years I have watched so many of your training videos and I know that when I open my clinic I will be using your version of the Banyan induction. I fully agree the progressive is so boring! Personal goings on have prevented me getting started until now, but soon I will be up and running and I'm so glad I won't need to bore my clients into submission 😉
Thank you for your sharing and support Cal. You are a true inspiration as well as brilliant teacher.
Thank you so much Elly 🙂 I know that you are going to great in your practice. And, who knows, maybe one day I'll get out to you see you in Australia some day.
DITO on all you are sharing Cal, the suggestibility tests are great for group demos but doing it with clients is just risky, so I don't use them... never would use them!!
In fact, I love the fact that we have learnt RAPID - INSTANT Inductions, which save us time and are fast and efficient. I particularly love doing the Affect Bridge Age Regression, it is so smooth, so effective, so right to the point! would not change this for anything!
The 8 Word Induction is also another favorite of mine... my clients love it too 🙂
Hypno Fans: If you have not learn the Rapid-Instant Inductions from Cal yet, highly recommend you to do so... your clients will LOVE you even more and you will get a great set of tools to become even more efficient in your work
Regarding the permissive or directive approach, you want to be using the directive approach. When we work with our clients we use the permissive approach right at the beginning and that is enough (when we ask: Do I have permission to touch your hand, elbow, shoulder and even your forehead) once your client has given you permission and is keen to do the session with you, why would you want to be permissive longer than needed??
In my mind, even just thinking about being permissive more than needed with my client, simply drives me nuts! because it makes me feel I would waste so much time when I can be directive and get my client to do what she came to do with me!
Hi Cal,
I know that I never use a progressive relaxation technique either. I tend to enjoy using the Hand Clasp method myself modified with the imagination picturing rope being wrapped around the hands getting tighter and tighter. Coupled with touching their fingers randomly at different intervals while making the suggestions and using a gentle pull downward and a soft spoken SLEEP to drop them quickly. From there I rock them back and forth using suggestions to deepen them with each rock and sway of the body.
Once they have relaxed more, i raise and drop each arm into the lap doubling the sensation and finally finishing up with a mental relaxation of counting backwards from 100 till the numbers disappear. Sometimes I'll even add walking down stairs as a further deepener.
Spending the length of time it takes for a progressive relaxation technique one doesn't have the time for and it also allows more time for other clients to be seen as well.
lydia says
Ha ha, you are funny.
Would you never use it, perhaps for pain management or birthing, something like that?
P.s. I use the elman/banyan or AIAR induction
Lonnie says
Cal, that's a very uneducated opinion. Do some research on Progressive Relaxation. The benefits are proven and clear.
Here's a link to get you started: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=progressive+muscle+relaxation&hl=en&btnG=Search&as_sdt=1%2C37&as_sdtp=on
Cal says
Hello Lonnie - Thanks for you comment and I appreciate your link. Here is a thought for you, if muscle relaxation is important, why not first quickly and effectively (without causing your client to fall asleep) induce a deep level of hypnosis (somnambulism) and then suggest deep muscle relaxation? They you would have the best of both worlds. You would save a significant amount of time, and be both efficient and effective.
Let's do GREAT things together,
Cal
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Hi Lydia - That for your question/comment. We love to get comments!
Like I said to Lonnie, if profound relaxation was my goal, I would first do a fast, reliable and effective induction that takes someone to a deep level of hypnosis, and then suggest deep/profound relaxation. I get relaxation much faster when I already have somnambulism. So, no I never use the progressive relaxation induction, unless I am TRYING to put my client to sleep.
Congratulations for mastering the Elman-Banyan Induction and the AIAR induction. You ROCK.
Cal
Issac Weiss says
Cal I’m surprised with you you murder such a old induction, lucky some of the people listening haven’t paid for a live class, because you would scared them away of class.
Cal as you started to say never use it, I’m thinking to myself, I never used a progressive relaxation induction EVER with any of my clients. But, I made it as a self-hypnosis for sleep for a client with Insomnia, and then you said you made the same tape for sleep ( I guess I heard it from you at some point)
I so agree with you, instant and rapid inductions, is the way to go.
Problem is with Hypnotist who never practiced it and are not sure it will work. Good idea to do whatever induction you use, then give a suggestion that next time you will hypnotize them you will use a instant or rapid induction like close your eyes and sleep, and they will go in faster and deeper, and you ask them to open their eye and you do the instant induction and you will see how great it works.
Keep up the good work
Issac Weiss, BCH
Hypnosis in montreal
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Issac,
Perfect! You are exactly right.
Keep spreading the news,
Cal
Dr. Michael G Millett says
Cal, I think it has its uses and with some clients in particular but instant and rapid inductions are better of course. It`s like computers - they are getting smaller and faster ! Enjoyed reading the posts and comments here and thank you.
Elevated
Therapy Hypnotherapy
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Michael - Can you tell us more about your opinion and experience which led you to believe that the progressive relaxation induction "has its uses and with some clients in particular..."? If I am missing something I'd like to know it.
Cal
Dr. Michael G Millett says
Cal, I think when a person needs a relaxing hypnotic trance and to get the beneifit from the relaxation process as well, especially if they find it difficult to relax generally. Helpful for them to relieve the tension in chest, legs or elsewhere etc., especially if it is chrionic tension. Can be an added positive experience for people.
Regards, Michael
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href="Hypnotherapy">http://www.elevatedtherapy.org.uk/hypnosis.html">Hypnotherapy
in Grantham</a>
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Hello Michael - Well, like I said to Lonnie above, "Here is a thought for you, if muscle relaxation is important, why not first quickly and effectively (without causing your client to fall asleep) induce a deep level of hypnosis (somnambulism) and then suggest deep muscle relaxation? Then you would have the best of both worlds. You would save a significant amount of time, and be both efficient and effective." Suggestions for deep relaxation during or after the hypnosis session are always going to be more readily accepted in somnambulism.
Thanks again for your comment.
Cal
Hypnotherapy in Grantham says
I take your point Cal but some people like the gentleness of a Progressive Relaxation Induction, particularly older clients and those that may have had this method before. And... the client (customer) is always right. LOL. Very Best, Michael
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Michael - Did you know that a rapid induction such as the Elman-Banyan induction can be just as gentile as a progressive relaxation induction? And, you achieve deep hypnosis without all of the problems associated with doing a progressive relaxation induction. Plus, you have that much more time for doing the work of hypnosis/hypnotherapy.
In addition, I've found that "older" clients are more likely to fall asleep during a session than younger types. Because of this it makes sense to me that doing rapid inductions would be the best way to go even in this case.
Finally, I've also found that most repeat clients who have experienced deep hypnosis in a previous session just want to get there as soon as possible, regardless of age.
I'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree on this one. 🙂
Thanks again for the comment Michael and very best wishes!
Cal
Hypnotherapy in Grantham says
You make fair points here Cal. I have just looked at the Elman-Banyan induction you mention with the three major changes to the original Dave Elman Induction by you. I`ll give it a try. Thank you. Very Best, Michael
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Thanks Michael - I hope it will fill your needs.
Cal
Elly says
Another BRILLIANT video! I will admit that the progressive is the way I was taught but over the last couple of years I have watched so many of your training videos and I know that when I open my clinic I will be using your version of the Banyan induction. I fully agree the progressive is so boring! Personal goings on have prevented me getting started until now, but soon I will be up and running and I'm so glad I won't need to bore my clients into submission 😉
Thank you for your sharing and support Cal. You are a true inspiration as well as brilliant teacher.
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Thank you so much Elly 🙂 I know that you are going to great in your practice. And, who knows, maybe one day I'll get out to you see you in Australia some day.
With you on the Path,
Cal
Giselle says
I LOVE this episode Cal and all Hypno Fans!
DITO on all you are sharing Cal, the suggestibility tests are great for group demos but doing it with clients is just risky, so I don't use them... never would use them!!
In fact, I love the fact that we have learnt RAPID - INSTANT Inductions, which save us time and are fast and efficient. I particularly love doing the Affect Bridge Age Regression, it is so smooth, so effective, so right to the point! would not change this for anything!
The 8 Word Induction is also another favorite of mine... my clients love it too 🙂
Hypno Fans: If you have not learn the Rapid-Instant Inductions from Cal yet, highly recommend you to do so... your clients will LOVE you even more and you will get a great set of tools to become even more efficient in your work
Regarding the permissive or directive approach, you want to be using the directive approach. When we work with our clients we use the permissive approach right at the beginning and that is enough (when we ask: Do I have permission to touch your hand, elbow, shoulder and even your forehead) once your client has given you permission and is keen to do the session with you, why would you want to be permissive longer than needed??
In my mind, even just thinking about being permissive more than needed with my client, simply drives me nuts! because it makes me feel I would waste so much time when I can be directive and get my client to do what she came to do with me!
Great episode Cal, keep them coming....
Love to all
Giselle
Cal Banyan, MA, BCH, CI, DNGH says
Thank you Giselle - Your comment clearly shows why you are an instructor. You are right on.
Keep checking in and commenting.
With you on the Path,
Cal
Michael Lennon says
Hi Cal,
I know that I never use a progressive relaxation technique either. I tend to enjoy using the Hand Clasp method myself modified with the imagination picturing rope being wrapped around the hands getting tighter and tighter. Coupled with touching their fingers randomly at different intervals while making the suggestions and using a gentle pull downward and a soft spoken SLEEP to drop them quickly. From there I rock them back and forth using suggestions to deepen them with each rock and sway of the body.
Once they have relaxed more, i raise and drop each arm into the lap doubling the sensation and finally finishing up with a mental relaxation of counting backwards from 100 till the numbers disappear. Sometimes I'll even add walking down stairs as a further deepener.
Spending the length of time it takes for a progressive relaxation technique one doesn't have the time for and it also allows more time for other clients to be seen as well.